Ford and Toyota Reach Hybrid Agreement – Who Wins?
Jason Lancaster | Aug 22, 2011 | Comments 12
Straight from the “you’re not gonna believe this one” news pile, we learn today from CNN.com and PickupTrucks.com that Toyota and Ford have agreed to co-develop hybrid systems for trucks and big SUVs. From CNN:
Rivals Ford Motor and Toyota Motor announced an agreement Monday to work together to develop a new hybrid light truck. The agreement is expected to produce hybrid rear-wheel drive pickups and SUVs sometime later this decade. The agreement brings together Toyota, which has been a leader in hybrid technology, with Ford, which still has a leading position in the pickup and SUV portion of the market, where hybrids are still less common.
Over at PickupTrucks.com, Dave Thomas writes:
If there was any doubt that new fuel regulations would make an immediate and widespread impact on the automotive industry, it evaporated this morning. Today, Ford and Toyota announced an agreement to jointly develop — as equal partners — a new hybrid drivetrain specifically for light trucks and SUVs. This new technology would go on sale by the end of the decade.
Let that soak in for a moment…Ford, arguably the world’s leader in pickups, working with Toyota, arguably the world’s leader in hybrids. Why?
What’s In It For Ford
Pickups are the life blood of Ford Motor Company. If you take away the F-series, you’re looking at a much smaller company with a limited number of successful products. When you look at sales and market share, pickups are the only product that Ford does really, really well…which means Ford needs their pickups to keep on selling if they want to survive.
Yet there are stiff federal fuel economy rules taking effect in 2020 that severely threaten the future of the pickup truck. Ford needed to do something drastic to preserve their most profitable – and most important – product. Hence, they’ve offered to give Toyota access to all of their connectivity and in-car-Internet technology, along with a chance to co-develop the powertrain of the next F150/Tundra.
What’s In It For Toyota
Toyota is taking a major chance giving Ford access to their hybrid know-how, but it’s not as if Ford is in any danger of threatening the Prius brand. Ford’s hybrids have never been a serious threat. Toyota, however, has struggled to win the ‘hearts and minds’ of U.S. domestic truck owners who don’t like the idea of buying a “foreign” truck (despite the fact the Tundra has more domestic content than the F150). Toyota has long considered developing a hybrid Tundra, but when sales fell off a cliff in 2008, Tundra hybrid plans died. There was simply no way to put a pencil to developing an expensive hybrid powertrain for the low-volume Tundra.
Today, Toyota has found a partner flush with cash who is ready to spend whatever it takes to build a great hybrid pickup.
Risks For Toyota and Ford
- Ford could erode their perceived truck advantage over Toyota. Ford and Toyota are frequently cross-shopped, which means a potential Ford buyer is very often a potential Toyota buyer (and vice versa). While Ford currently enjoys a perception advantage over Toyota when it comes to pickups, it might be hard to make that argument when F150s are using the same powertrains as Tundras. Toyota could steal some sales from Ford.
- Toyota just gave up the only big truck advantage they had. While Toyota was definitely not a threat to the F150 in the short term, in the long run, Toyota had an ace in the hole. While Ford would have to spend billions to catch up on hybrid technology, Toyota could do a little development, reach into the parts bin, and start building hybrid trucks. Now that advantage is gone…and considering Ford’s dominance in the truck world, this could put them over the top.
Rewards for Toyota and Ford
- Toyota just saved a ton of cash. Toyota doesn’t just have a development partner to split hybrid Tundra costs with, they’ll also have access to Ford truck technology and a partner to help defray the costs of powertrains for all their SUVs too. The Rav, Highlander, Sequoia, and Land Cruiser – not to mention the Lexus SUV line-up – are all a little less expensive to develop now because Uncle Ford is footing a big chunk of the bill.
- Ford locked down their future. Ford’s dependence on pickup truck sales for company survival means that, without this deal in place, Ford would be heading into the next decade with a lot of uncertainty. New fuel economy rules could severely hamper truck sales, but with this deal Ford just might be able to meet fuel economy targets without compromising sales volume.
The Winners?
First, Ford wins because – in a best case scenario – they will keep on doing what they’ve been doing and sell more trucks than anyone else. Ford’s worst-case scenario is that they get into a hybrid truck pricing battle with Toyota, where significantly similar hybrid Tundras and F150s are sold against one another. Considering that Ford already builds 40% of the F150 in Mexico, they’re going to win a price war.
Second, consumers win because we get to drive hybrid trucks developed by two of the best manufacturers in the auto industry.
The Losers?
First, Toyota has lost because they just traded away a major technological advantage for some substantial short-term cost savings and some interesting technology. No doubt, Toyota will use what they learn from Ford to improve their entire line-up and generate a lot of profit. Yet when it comes to positioning the brand for the future, Toyota just gave Ford a chance to compete in an area where Toyota has been wholly dominant for more than a decade.
Second, Chrysler-Fiat loses because the just don’t have the cash to compete with GM or Ford/Toyota when it comes to developing hybrid powertrains. They’re either going to need to find a partner for their next-generation Ram (Nissan and Hyundai are both possibles), or they’re going to have to cede the truck business to Ford, GM, and Toyota in 2020. It will be interesting to see what happens next…
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Does this mean my 2020 Tundra will be spitting out sparkplugs and having tech logic failures with all that fancy Sync technology that I have no place for in a truck. Oh boy, can’t wait. 🙁
I see ford winning and toyota losing in the end. What do I want in a Ford truck that my toyota doesn’t have – nothing! Ford has the cash flow to help toyota build a hybrid thus saving Toyota money, but in the end, Ford will win in a huge way. Toyota is not thinking in the long run and only short term money gains. I hate Ford syncs system and do not want it and if it comes in a Toyota, I will not buy the tundra. GM’s hybrid trucks are a joke only gaining 2-3 mpg at most for what, 5-6 grand more? Not worth it. If a hybrid truck cannot deliver 25 mpg on the hwy. by 2020 in a V8 similar power to our tundras, why even bother investing in it? Fuel EPA regs. are killing us here and hopefully not the end of full sized pickups/SUV’s in say 10 years.
Brian – LOL. I don’t think Toyota would put their name on something that doesn’t meet their standards, however I do think that the hybrid Tundra/F150 is going to be a lot more complicated than what you’ve got in your garage…for better and for worse.
mk – I agree. This seems like a gift for Ford…Toyota had an advantage in the hybrid arena, and now it seems like they’ve traded that for some reduced development costs. Seems like the accountants called the shots on this deal.
The Tundra has been a market loser since it was introduced. Toyota didn’t understand the pickup market well and didn’t offer the proper combinations of capability the domestic manufacturers have. Yes, some Customers bought them and liked them but they others weren’t offered the selection they required.
Interesting that some people think the couple miles per gallon the GM trucks offer isn’t sufficient. In real life they produce fantastic results for a heavy vehicle. Biggest advantage is in traffic when sitting and waiting. My daughter’s Tahoe Hybrid far outpaces the Toyota Sienna she replaced from an overall quality standpoint to far superior gas mileage.
BillD
Nice job Bill. Way to point out the facts. Ford’s dominance in the truck world? Hmm… must have missed that announcement. Toyota is the world leader in hybrids? Hmm… another misnomer.
The funny thing GM came out with the Silverado Hybrid back in 06 which was to state nothing but a truck with two electrical plug outlets in the bed. Funny Bill you compare a “Hybrid” to a non-hybrid in two vehicles. Naturally the hybrid will do better in stop n go traffic. That’s the design of it. That’s like me comparing my wife’s 07 Prius hybrid to your daughter’s hybrid tahoe. Naturally you lost. When I went to Daytona race GM had all their Hybrids out there. As for the mpg’s off the Tahoe isn’t worth the price. My 07 Tundra gets better mpg’s than the Tahoe hybrid. Not impress with GM’s hybrids. Get sustained 50mpg then you have something to talk about. Get 70mpg when the wife actually drives conservative. Then we can talk.
I think this is a win/win for each, as long as they share all the costs assosciated with the projects. I hope the remaining develop of their trucks are kept secrets.
When the 1st Gen Prius came out, yes Toyota had a clear advantage on the Hybrid technology. Ford now has a hybrid system equal/on par to that of Toyota (see Fusion). The Fusion gets just barely worse mpgs than the newest Prius, but better than the current Camry Hybrid and prior Prius. The new Camry (2013 I believe) coming out will get better mpgs (43 city) than the current Fusion Hybrid, but Toyota has also started using the Atkinson 2.5L that Ford already uses in the Fusion. And from testing so far, it appears the upcoming Fusion (2013 or 2014 model) may get 48-51mpgs city, on par with the Prius and better than the upcoming Camry.
So I believe both manufacturers will benefit from the share of technology and costs. I do not believe Toyota is sacrificing anything regarding their hybrid technology, as Ford has proved their is just as efficient and reliable as Toyota’s.
Justin – Even if Toyota doesn’t have the more advanced hybrid system, in the consumer’s eyes they do. Co-operating with Ford is probably for the best, but Ford definitely won this one.
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